Joker: Folie à Deux Official Trailer, So who is the other Joker?

Joker Folie à Deux has been a project that I have been anticipating with some caution, as on a whole, the Idea is perfectly outlandish in the way that one wants to see, I mean a musical with a sort of Shared Delusion with Harley Quinn played by Lady Gaga? Sign me up!

But at the same time, the original Joker was a good movie mainly due to the fact that it leaned away from the Traditional Comic book movie thing of being extra burdened with setting up a larger franchise or a wider Universe.

The Joker is a movie that did not need a sequel, and don't get me wrong, if it got a sequel, this would be the perfect reason.

Like it is not a Pacific Rim Uprising thing where they realized they just wanted to capitalize on the success of the original, so much so that they didn't even care that the original protagonist of the movie wasn't available due to scheduling reasons, like, you couldn't re-schedule for something like that?

And it also isn't The Demon Slayer thing where the original it self is slightly incomplete and therefore making additions is not only natural but a welcome sight.

But is also isn't something that absolutely should not have a sequel like say Mulan, the original Disney movie.

Like, I mustn't be the first to say that Mulan II is a shit film.

And there is a reason that that particular movie should not have a Sequel, because giving it a Sequel, the main conflict of that movie is gone, Mulan is now in the open, and the ending, the happily ever after, is now murky, I mean it has to be.

Or else how will you create enough conflict for a sequel, like seriously.

Now this thing might seem closer to what the Joker is, after all, a very integral part of that movie was the inability of even the viewer to tell the difference between what is real and what is not.

Now if you are going to give this movie a sequel, then some aspects of that movie will inherently have to be considered as, 'real'.

Now let me make a case as to why this is not a bad thing.

Firstly, if the very ending of the movie where Joker inspires the masses to 'rebel' in a sense if declared as real, only makes this movies point harder, the movie is a warning, Rebellion can be terrible, it usually is, if we don't see the powder keg in the underbelly of our society, it will explode.

This man has already fantasized about doing such things before, the fact that at this point fantasy and reality meet, is very much the point.

Secondly, the entire thing need not be real, only certain aspects, like Joker inspiring the masses, Joker shooting Murray, and Joker killing those three men on the train, maybe some aspects of that was a fantasy, but he did that.

And just because something really happened doesn't mean it also isn't fantasy, fantasy and reality have met, that is the point.

Thirdly, this movie goes with a very unique approach, a shared hallucination, a shared madness, someone to match his, is any of it real? Or is it a fantasy? Is Harley Quinn simply a figment of Jokers fantasy? Or is she real? both are equally plausible.

Again that is the point.

And I stand by when I said Harley looks like Cate from Gen V here, and besides looks, that is a good parallel innit?

So now that I have spent multiple paragraphs describing everything other than what the title is saying, lets finally get there.

There is another Joker in the trailer, he also showed up in the previous trailer, in that trailer he appeared just once and it seemed he was just a figment of Arthur's imagination, that metaphorically, Arthur Fleck, is running away from the Joker.

Now the metaphorical meaning may still be there, though perhaps reversed, because it seems that this other Joker is someone who knows Arthur, someone who perhaps has been looking for him for a while, at least that is how it appears going by that look he gives him in that scene that is depicted in the first screenshot of this article.

So who is he? Well based purely on the look of surprise, it is someone who is surprised to see Arthur, so a follower who is surprised to see him out of Jail? Then why chase him?

Perhaps he is a Charlatan, someone who is capitalizing on Arthur's image by posing as the Joker, and now the real joker's presence threatens him.

Or perhaps, he is a long lost family member, remember Penny Fleck adopted Arthur as a child and we do not know who his real family is, so perhaps, it is someone from his real family, or more generally his past, who thought Arthur dead, wearing the make up to get close to him and then chasing him as he runs away.

There is of course the possibility of the Multiverse, but that would take away from this universe, it is grounded and that is it's strength.

Now am I saying the multiverse can never play a role in this universe? No I am not.

In a similar way to how true heroism is brought into the universe of the Boys through some brilliant writing, if one writes it well enough and given enough development, a more grounded version of the Multiverse may play a role in this universe.

Regardless, that will only be possible far far into the future, and for it to be done well, without breaking the core of this universe would take a lot, not to mention can Hollywood even continue this franchise that long without breaking its core, without doing the well known executive thing of ruining things?

I mean it's Warner Brothers, remember Suicide Squad kill the Justice League? Damn why is that game?

Regardless, this movie is too soon, so lets not think about the Multiverse, it just came in my head so I mentioned it.

But that does not mean this movie is free of member berries, I mean, if you switch on the subtitles...

Uh huh, that there my friends, is two-face.

So we already have a Batman origin in this Universe, and while it is almost next to impossible for the Robert Pattinson Batman to come in the same continuity as this one, given Barry Keoghan's Joker, but maybe it can?

Because even in the comics there have been multiple Jokers like Joker is more of an Idea, a concept.

So we don't know, for now, we can just enjoy the insane psychiatrist Harley Quinn falling into a shared madness with Arthur Fleck, and yes, I do think even in this continuity she is a psychiatrist working at Arkham and not a fellow Arkham patient simply because she is more free, she has more agency, she blows smoke into Arthur's mouth from her own.

And she can walk around the hospital without an escort,.

And in a hospital that houses many that are considered criminally insane, every tenant must have an escort, either for their own protection form the others, or for the protection of others from them. So only a doctor or a staff member will be walking freely this way.

And that I believe is the true tragedy of Harley, she is a doctor, but really, she is just as mentally ill as her patients.

And it is definite that at some point Arthur and Harley will escape together, because they wear the make up again, and how will they do that in prison? I mean I guess Harley, oh sorry, Lee, yes her name is Lee, get it? Har-Lee? Anyways, she could have brought the make up there, but it makes more sense that she helps Arthur-along with several others probably-escape and that is why she is walking alongside him to court.

And so Lee becomes the Harley Quinn to Arthur Fleck's Joker.

Damn, she really is the same level of insane as Arthur isn't she?

But what question still remains with me is what hasn't been shown in these trailers, through press releases and the like, it has come to our(the audience's) attention that the social worker who was giving therapy to Arthur in the first movie before his first killing spree on the train, will be back, well at least the actress will be back.

Similarly Zazie Beetz will be back as well, so the online theories that Joker killed her before he went on the Murray Franklin show are wrong potentially, perhaps she will only come in a flashback, who knows, perhaps the same is true for the social worker as well, who knows?

And we have a Harley and Joker Show! Now that could be their shared hallucination, a world view that is definitely supported by the fact that the theatre they are performing in is empty, I mean it could be a rehearsal, but that is unlikely.

Or, it could be a real show, and the empty Theatre is either their coping mechanism/shared hallucination or the Trailer is pulling some Hulk in Wakanda in the infinity war trailer level trickery here to fool us, I mean this world is fucked up enough for that, You know, I could totally see a company offering these two a real on air show, to capitalize on these two's obvious popularities; perhaps after they are exempted from punishment somehow and are free?

I mean isn't the whole point that Gotham's legal system is corrupt?

so it could be reality, it could be a Fantasy, we don't know.

And that is the point.

Although this looks an awful lot like the Murray Franklin show doesn't it? Maybe that is a clue!?

And also, since we now have Two face and Harley Quinn canonically in this universe, will we potentially have other Villains as well? With their realistic interpretations? Say... Mr. Freeze? Or perhaps Batman? I mean this is still too soon, Bruce is too young, but we shall see.